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Talk to me D Wiltshire

by CC Ryder in

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d wiltshire..i have made attempts at contacting you by posting after some of your posts on this board but had no response....please e-mail me....i'd love to hear from you again...talk about old times...thanks.

cc ryder

D wiltshire

Sorry, CC, but I haven't been keeping up with the board in the last few days. I read some of your post and know who you are. Nice to hear from you I heard you left the borg but didn't know you address. Hopefully many more will leave like yourself. How your sister and new wife, I hope everyone is doing well.

dave

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JWs @ My Door !!!

by Francois in

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my door!

can you imagine that?

don't they know i'm a filthy apostulater!

D wiltshire

Francois,

I don't think theyr'e commin back, because jw run from that type of information becuase it not "UPBUILDING"

After they left they probably said amungst themselves,"Satan have really got that guy by the balls".LOL

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Teen wins fight to refuse blood transfusions

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http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/07/02/mia020702

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teen wins fight to refuse blood transfusions .

D wiltshire

I feel very sorry for the girl and her family. I think the father did the best he could do to try to save his daughters life. While I feel great anger towards the WT for this teaching that kills their loyal followers. I agree with this courts decission.

A sixteen year old is old enought to make this choice and should be respected even if it is an error.

I'm for freedom of religious beliefs as long as they don't harm anyone but the person who has them, as I would not want any court to decide what religious beliefs I am allowed to practice(as long as the only person I hurt was myself).

I feel sorry for this girl for two reasons one because she is misled and two, now faces death with perhaps a guilty conscience, to me that is very sad. I feel with matters of life and death every person should have control over what treatment they will accept or refuse and to go against their wishes is a violation of a sacred right we all have that should be respected no matter what our personal feeling might be.

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A NEW SIGN OUT FRONT AT BETHEL!

by Mary in

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i think it's time bethel got a new sign out front, one that really speaks volumes and is far more suitable to their "read god's word the bible daily.

i was thinking: .

oh what a web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!

D wiltshire

Bullshit Bingo Every Tuesday and Thursday Everyones a Winner

Keep An Open Mind But Don't Let Your Brains Fall Out

This Generation Will End Someday

God's True People Must Be Pateint

Greenless Was Not A Pedophile

Stop Having Safe Sex

Well That's Two Less Buildings and 6000 Pepole God Will Have To Destroy

Only We Have The Annointed Naaah-Nah-Nah-Naaah-Naaaaaaaaah

We Love Our Children If You Know What I Mean

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Confidential Friends in the Truth!

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from: reseacher tony_jw

tony replays: i must say something here guys, .

D wiltshire

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From: applebee (Original Message)

Sent: 26/06/2002 12:34

What makes a so-called Christian religion false? Will all those that belong to false religion be destroyed by God because they have supported a false religion?

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From: Ben

Sent: 27/06/2002 04:44

** What makes a so-called Christian religion false?

Will all those that belong to false religion be destroyed by God because they have supported a false religion?**

Excellent questions. I will venture my opinion. (smile)

The Bible is not a handbook for a religion. One only has too look at all the religions which use the Bible to see just how many interpretations there are of what is actually there in that very remarkable book. There are persons who devote their entire lives to the study of the ancient languages in which the Bible was written in an effort to better understand its meaning and stillthere are so many versions and opinions of what the authors were trying to say.

Who is there that has the unchallenged expertise to authoritatively say, definitively, what the Bible actually says on a given topic? There is no one. To say dogmatically that this doctrine is wrong or that this doctrine is right is to be ignorant of the aforementioned fact. We must conclude that God is cognizant of that fact and of the difficulty we humans are having in determining what is truth. That being the case, how does one point to a particular religion and say that it is false? Inasmuch as the truth is hidden so well, how could one be blamed for not having found it?

Still, inasmuch as the truth is just that, then ANY religion not possessing the complete truth could be said to be false. That would mean every last one of them.

Then there is also the disturbing question of whether the Bible is really THE word of God to the exclusion of all other works. That throws a different light on the matter all together when the possibility that there is divine truth in other sources as well is considered.

Should a religion openly confess that it is merely a seeker of truth rather than the keeper of it I think this would be a start in the right direction. If that religion would be a means of providing an environment for the association of persons seeking God and a forum for the expression of those within, I think this would be more constructive. If that religion would recognize that each individual is created in Gods image and is capable of grasping his tiny part of the big picture rather that subscribe to the concept that God only favors the leadership then it would be moving closer to what religion is really supposed to do. Whenever a religion comes to realize that the leadership, in claiming to be Gods spokesman, is in effect, placing itself between God and man, thereby removing the Christ from the picture, then it recognizes that we are all in the same situation here, we are all humans seeking God. A religion like that, to me, would not be false inasmuch as it would be true to its claim.

Rather than impose doctrines on its membership it should provide the means to learn from one another and allow each and every person his God given right AND responsibility to make the final choice, without fear of peer pressure and punishment from his Christian associates, as to what is right in Gods eyes on ANY matter. It seems to me that God is perfectly capable to write down very plainly when the end will come if he wanted that information revealed. The Society, starting with Russell, (along with other religions as well) has repeatedly attempted to second guess God on this matter. Their predictions have, of course, all been wrong.

There have been other teachings from things as silly as trying to pinpoint the exact location of Jehovahs throne and saying that Jesus was clean shaven to the long standing doctrine of the generation of 1914 that was pushed with such zeal and conviction until it was suddenly killed in the Watchtower of 11/1/95, to the absurd statements first in the book: "The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah How?" on page 216, pp 8: "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." And the other statement in Watchtower 1/1/89 issue that reads: "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our twentieth century." Interestingly enough the wording in that Watchtower was changed when they made the bound volume and the CD so you will have to find the actual magazine to be able to read it. Now I leave it to those reading this post, here and now in the twenty-first century, if those statements were false or not!

If and when a religion steps up and claims to be the voice of God, to be Gods spokesman to mankind then it can rightly be judged by its claim. If and when a religion claims to have THE TRUTH then it must demonstrate that quality or else it is false by virtue of not being what it claims to be. It cannot be continuously making errors and attempting to correct them under the guise that God is progressively revealing things to them while, at the same time, condemning other religions for not having what it considers, at that very moment, to be the truth.

A brief example: That business of Jesus not having a beard that was mentioned previouslywho had the truth when "Christendom" depicted Jesus with a beard and we pictured him clean-shaven? Disturbing question is it not? And just because they were right on this particular point, does that make the right on all the others? I think not. So it would appear that no one is ever right all the time when it comes to doctrine. My question is: Why bother with doctrines at all?! (smile)

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From: teenyuck

Sent: 27/06/2002 06:59

Ben, that is a wonderful post. You brought out some really good points. I have come to the conclusion that Jehovah would not destroy people just because they were not of a certain faith. That would make no sense. It would negate the whole reason for religion. As I look around at people around me, I wonder, if armageddon happened tomorrow, would God really kill my neighbors who are very religious? They are kind, helpful, have a bible study group to their home; they are not Jehovah's Witnesses. Because they belong to a religion grouped under "christendom" they are doomed to death by the Society's own words. They are simply trying to understand the scriptures and live a clean life. This distresses me. What about all the peaceful, God-loving people world wide? Are they doomed because they do not believe in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's doctrines? Why would Jehovah, all seeing and knowing, doom people just for having faith in him? This would not be loving or kind. You also brought our some good points on 1975. I, too, was there and remember clearly being told that I should not get an education because the new system was fast approaching. I think this is a great disservice to all Witnesses. The false phrophicies and doctrine changes are troublesome. Saying that the brothers are human and will make mistakes makes me wonder on what else they have made mistakes on? I am especially troubled by the issue of organ transplants. In the November 15, 1967 Watchtower the Society declared its opposition to organ transplants. The section "Questions from Readers" posed the question of how Jehovah's Witnesses were to view transplants, and the Society gave its official answer:

Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one's body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source?....

Humans were allowed by God to eat animal flesh and to sustain their human lives by taking the lives of animals, though they were not permitted to eat blood. Did this include eating human flesh, sustaining one's life by means of the body or part of the body of another human, alive or dead? No! That would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people.... To show disrespect for the sanctity of human life would make one liable to have his own life taken....
.... Those who submit to such [transplant] operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic.... It is not our place to decide whether such operations are advisable or warranted from a scientific or medical standpoint. It would be well, though, for Christians faced with a decision in this regard to consider the indication as to God's viewpoint presented in the Scriptures....
It should be evident from this discussion that Christians who have been enlightened by God's Word do not need to make these decisions simply on the basis of personal whim or emotion. They can consider the divine principles recorded in the Scriptures and use these in making personal decisions as they look to God for direction, trusting him and putting their confidence in the future that he has in store for those who love him.

The official view remained until the March 15, 1980 Watchtower considered the question of congregational action towards someone who accepted an organ transplant. Here are some excerpts:

.... It may be argued.... that organ transplants are different from cannibalism since the "donor" is not killed to supply food.... Clearly, personal views and conscientious feelings vary on this issue of transplantation.... While the Bible specifically forbids consuming blood, there is no Biblical command pointedly forbidding the taking in of other human tissue. For this reason, each individual faced with making a decision on this matter should carefully and prayerfully weigh matters and then decide conscientiously what he or she could or could not do before God. It is a matter for personal decision.... The congregation judicial committee would not take disciplinary action if someone accepted an organ transplant.

The June 22, 1982 Awake! reiterated this position, stating:

The Witnesses do not feel that the Bible comments directly on organ transplants; hence, decisions regarding cornea, kidney, or other tissue transplants must be made by the individual Witness.

This is quite a flip-flop, going from the view that organ transplants are cannibalism and akin to murder, to it being a personal decision. Where is the guiding hand of God in all this?

There is not a word mentioned that this was a change of understanding with respect to the ideas presented in the earlier articles. Nor does the 1980 Watchtower article on transplants mention a word about the earlier views. In fact the 1930-1985 Watchtower Publications Index does not even list the 1967 Watchtower article. This is, in effect, changing history to suit current priorities. How many were injured or disfellowshipped because of following the "leading of men?"

I worry about the people who perhaps died as a result of not getting a needed transplant. Why are issues like this ignored and brushed under the carpet? I know someone who died as a result of not getting an organ transplant. He was afraid of being disfellowshipped.

How can I believe that the faithful and discreet slave is God's channel when they make flip-flop decisions like this?

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From: Ben

Sent: 27/06/2002 15:32

Teen:

Thank you for your kind words and I appreciate your thoughts in your post.

Some haunting words: "the true religion must measure up in all these respects and its teachings must all be in full harmony with Gods Word." From the Truth book, page 130. See below:

From the Kingdom Come book: " But now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest"a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"!Matthew 13:24-30, 36-39." The twentieth century has come and gone and this prediction did not come true. This was not a statement made by some over anxious publisher wanting the end to come but it came through the official channel of the faithful and discreet slave.

See also:

"Just as Jesus prophecies regarding Jerusalem were fulfilled within the life span of the generation of the year 33 C.E., so his prophecies regarding "the time of the end" will be fulfilled within the life span of the generation of 1914." W84 5/15 p. 7 That went out of the window in 1995.

If I were to make mistakes on that scale as a weather forecaster (which I am not), I would not only be fired but probably tarred and feathered as well! (smile)

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From: ForeverYoung

Sent: 29/06/2002 04:26

In response to your statement, Those of "other faiths" do not worship the Creator, Jehovah, as you well know. They worship the Creation, Jesus or their own false gods as did those in Bible times. As Jehovah truthfully states, you either worship him or you don't. Simple as that! He sets the rules, and if YOU choose not to obey them, that is YOUR choice! We live in a society today, as you also know, that everyone wants to do "their own thing" and still reap the same rewards. It doesn't work that way, for if it did, why bother serving any God? Jehovah knows everyone of us on the earth, inside and out, and if we can't or won't subject ourselves to him, that is OUR choice. We are afterall the "Son's and Daughter's of a King", and we should ALL start acting like it!

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From: Ben

Sent: 29/06/2002 07:51

Hello, Young:

** In response to your statement, Those of "other faiths" do not worship the Creator, Jehovah, as you well know. They worship the Creation, Jesus or their own false gods as did those in Bible times. **

Are you aware that there are other religions that do not teach the trinity? Are you aware that most of Russells ideology and theology came from the Seventh Day Adventists?

** As Jehovah truthfully states, you either worship him or you don't. Simple as that! He sets the rules,**

Did he set the rule about transplants? About blood fractions? (smile)

** We live in a society today, as you also know, that everyone wants to do "their own thing" and still reap the same rewards**

(smiling) This statement of yours reflects a general attitude that is very prevalent among JWs. They cannot abide the thought that someone who is not totally immersed in their routine with all of its prohibitions and restrictions could possibly gain life as well! I used to use this illustration when giving a particular public talk:

--There is no other human besides yourself qualified to pass judgment on your motives. So lets make quick check here. You are out in field service on a particularly unpleasant day and you happen to pass by your brothers house and you see him out in the yard drinking a beer in front of his smoking BBQ pit. What do you feel? Sadness at his not being responsible in fulfilling his duties as a publisher of the good news or are you angry at him? You know which emotion you feel, dont you?

Have you any idea of how many guilty looks I would see from those honest enough to search their hearts on the matter? Do you see a lesson there?

** Jehovah knows everyone of us on the earth, inside and out, and if we can't or won't subject ourselves to him, that is OUR choice**

I agree with that statement. Why subject ourselves to humans when we can subject ourselves to God? Do we perhaps need that human recognition and approval to validate our commitment to God? Why? Remember that Jehovah is a jealous God who will not forever tolerate someone standing between his children and himself.

** . We are afterall the "Son's and Daughter's of a King", and we should ALL start acting like it! **

I agree with you on this also. Interestingly the Society does not, however. According to WTBS theology, you are a son or daughter only if you are of the anointed. The rest of us are only friends of God. I applaud your courage to do your own thinking on this. Thank you for your comments.

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From: applebee

Sent: 29/06/2002 07:59

All religion has wrong teachings it has to do with mans limited knowledge. I think what Peter says in Act 10:3435 "That ,God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him." I think we all have wrong ideas and these wrong ideas are not the basis for adverse judgement unless the lead us to harmful acts that God condemns. The Identifying sign that Jesus gave to know who are really his followers is LOVE. John 13:35"By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves." I think it is the hieght of presumption to think your group is the only one that fit that description. One could only make that judgement correctly if he had absolute knowledge. The apostle John wrote the most about God's love and clearly shows that this the obligation of all who accept Christ, John 3:16. Love seeks the good of ones brother and is not harsh or demanding but good and kind, to all. This is not easy but a necessary if we want to recieve God's love. I know in the imperfect flesh we will never measure up perfectly it is an impossiblity but it is something that all those are required to strive toward if they wish to remain recipients of God great love. Many religions work at trying to practice this love, they preach it and they have different ways of expressing it, they as a group often fail or fall short in different ways,.. I don't think God is going to save any organizations, but I do think he is going to collect out of these groups different ones that have tried to a show Christ like love even if there group and even they themselves have wrong Ideas(parable of the wheat and the weeds). God isn't looking to save the Smartest people but the humble and loving ones who put faith in Him and His Son(faith in a particular organization not necessary, I've never read that in the Bible). Many religions want you to believe they are the true faith, that's how they keep you comming to their meetings and get you to support them and bend to their authority. In high control groups, often they will use guilt to get you to not question them, they play a sorta mind game with the gulible that keep them in their grip of control. They also make people feel that if you or anybody else questions them that these people are wicked for doing so and that their motives are very bad. This makes persons that are in those religions to afraid to ever question them, infact it makes them terrified to do so. Many pastors have such a control on their flock that some have coined the term "Mind control" nobody is allowed to question their authority if they do,.. they are cast out as wicked and condemned of God, and nobody in the group is allowed to listen to them for fear they may suffer the same fate and loose God's favor. This sad to say has gotten many Christians into becoming slaves of men and not God. u I don't think anybody has a monoply on the Truth. Jesus said to keep on searching and we will find.

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From: ForeverYoung

Sent: 29/06/2002 09:55

A lot of your comments on "picking" apart statements made for those who have been faithful to Jehovah and his Organization here on earth is very disturbing. It leads me to believe from your comments that you do believe some of what we have been instructed thru Jehovah's Organization and the rest you still question to this day.

As regards organ transplants and blood infractions - if Jehovah doesn't want us to use these - he will in due time reveal this to us - he always does! Just as you mentioned re Pastor Russell making statements based on what another religion believed. So what - Jehovah once again - in his time revealed new truths to us. That was then and this is now. It's time to move on!

As regards other religions not teaching the trinity - so what! They still don't worship the ONLY true God, Jehovah! And if you went to the District Convention this summer, a definate statement was made and I quote: "If you don't attend all meetings, you will not make it!" Wonder what that means???

As far as your illustration goes (and not a very good one at that) re a brother drinking a beer on his front lawn, is really none of your business, as you don't know whether he has taken the day off or not. It isn't a good illustration at all for all it shows is, that you judge people for what you see. And as I last recall - no human has ever been able to read anothers humans heart! It wouldn't affect the way I saw that person at all. Simply put, I'd wave and ask him when's the bar-b-que? If there are any quilty looks there - it should be your own for being so judgemental!

And as for your correction regarding us being "Son's and Daughter's of a King", the statement was made during a talk given at our Circuit Assembly last Fall. Did you fail to hear that comment, or were you not at that assembly? And for your information, I don't need your applaude - for this is not my personal opinion. From the way you are speaking - you have either not been in the truth very long - or it seems you try to discourage others, which leads me to believe you aren't attending the meetings regularly. Enough said - (though it seems you do need to do more research)!

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From: Ben
Hello, Young:
** In response to your statement, Those of "other faiths" do not worship the Creator, Jehovah, as you well know. They worship the Creation, Jesus or their own false gods as did those in Bible times. **
Are you aware that there are other religions that do not teach the trinity? Are you aware that most of Russells ideology and theology came from the Seventh Day Adventists?
** As Jehovah truthfully states, you either worship him or you don't. Simple as that! He sets the rules,**
Did he set the rule about transplants? About blood fractions? (smile)
** We live in a society today, as you also know, that everyone wants to do "their own thing" and still reap the same rewards**
(smiling) This statement of yours reflects a general attitude that is very prevalent among JWs. They cannot abide the thought that someone who is not totally immersed in their routine with all of its prohibitions and restrictions could possibly gain life as well! I used to use this illustration when giving a particular public talk:
--There is no other human besides yourself qualified to pass judgment on your motives. So lets make quick check here. You are out in field service on a particularly unpleasant day and you happen to pass by your brothers house and you see him out in the yard drinking a beer in front of his smoking BBQ pit. What do you feel? Sadness at his not being responsible in fulfilling his duties as a publisher of the good news or are you angry at him? You know which emotion you feel, dont you?
Have you any idea of how many guilty looks I would see from those honest enough to search their hearts on the matter? Do you see a lesson there?
** Jehovah knows everyone of us on the earth, inside and out, and if we can't or won't subject ourselves to him, that is OUR choice**
I agree with that statement. Why subject ourselves to humans when we can subject ourselves to God? Do we perhaps need that human recognition and approval to validate our commitment to God? Why? Remember that Jehovah is a jealous God who will not forever tolerate someone standing between his children and himself.
** . We are afterall the "Son's and Daughter's of a King", and we should ALL start acting like it! **
I agree with you on this also. Interestingly the Society does not, however. According to WTBS theology, you are a son or daughter only if you are of the anointed. The rest of us are only friends of God. I applaud your courage to do your own thinking on this. Thank you for your comments.

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From: Ben

Sent: 29/06/2002 13:09

Hello, Young:

** As regards organ transplants and blood infractions - if Jehovah doesn't want us to use these - he will in due time reveal this to us - he always does! Just as you mentioned re Pastor Russell making statements based on what another religion believed. So what - Jehovah once again - in his time revealed new truths to us. That was then and this is now. It's time to move on! **

But you have already been told what to believe on these matters. Why do you mean by: "if Jehovah doesn't want us to use these - he will in due time reveal this to us"??? The Society has already told you Jehovahs mind on the matter!

As for Russells incorporation of other religions beliefs into his own belief system you cannot accept these things as truths without acknowledging that God first gave those truths to these other religions. Jehovah revealed those truths to other religions long before we accepted these as our own. So, in fact, God did not reveal those things to Russell at allthey were revealed to someone else and he just took those ideas from those people.

** As regards other religions not teaching the trinity - so what! They still don't worship the ONLY true God, Jehovah! **

You seemed to think it was significant that witnesses dont believe in the trinity. Why would it not go to other religions credit that they dont? Is it that you have a problem giving credit where credit is due? That they dont worship Jehovah is only your viewpoint, one that you have yet to demonstrate.

** And if you went to the District Convention this summer, a definate statement was made and I quote: "If you don't attend all meetings, you will not make it!" Wonder what that means??? **

That means that once again rules are being put forth in the guise of being commands from God. Show me that statement in the Bible. You cannot, can you? So you have only demonstrated what I have contended all alongthey make their own rules. I call your attention to another statement of theirs, one that I posted earlier and that you can read for yourself: "Just as Jesus prophecies regarding Jerusalem were fulfilled within the life span of the generation of the year 33 C.E., so his prophecies regarding "the time of the end" will be fulfilled within the life span of the generation of 1914." W84 5/15 p. 7

That statement was made in many talks at many conventions over the years. Wonder what that means? I think this and many other statements about things which never happened is reason enough not to be over concerned about further statements from the platforms. Dont you think?

** As far as your illustration goes (and not a very good one at that) re a brother drinking a beer on his front lawn, is really none of your business, **

You missed the point entirely but you are free to draw whatever conclusion you wish.

** And as for your correction regarding us being "Son's and Daughter's of a King", the statement was made during a talk given at our Circuit Assembly last Fall. **

You should have said so then. (smile) What this means now is that whoever said it has, by that statement, contradicted what the Society teaches on the matter. Allow me to point this out to you: "These with earthly prospects are declared righteous and enjoy peace with God even now, not as sons, but as friends of God, as was Abraham. What a favored position that is!James 2:23." W87 3/15 p. 15 ..par 17. So tell me again about these sons and daughters of the king

** . Did you fail to hear that comment, or were you not at that assembly?**

Did you fail to read that article or perhaps you were not at the meeting that day?

** And for your information, I don't need your applaude - for this is not my personal opinion. **

I apologize for thinking that you would have a personal opinion. I stand corrected.

** you have either not been in the truth very long - or it seems you try to discourage others, which leads me to believe you aren't attending the meetings regularly. Enough said - (though it seems you do need to do more research)! **

You have no idea! (smile)

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From: the_Crime_Doctor

Sent: 29/06/2002 13:19

Hello Ben, "That means that once again rules are being put forth in the guise of being commands from God. Show me that statement in the Bible. " I think Heb. 10:25 reads similar. Hebrews 10:25
not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.--NASB

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Do Your Emotions Come Back When You Leave a Cult?

by D wiltshire in

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do your emotions come back when you leave a cult?.

i believe they do perhaps as gradually as they left.. i remember when i was 18 yrs old and first started becoming a jw that was 30 yrs ago and the one thing i remember is that i loved my worldly relatives and wanted so much for them to get saved and the emotional torture i went though thinking they were all going to die soon at armageddon.

it was really hard to cope with the thought of them all being destroyed.. i work really hard not to think about it, and over time i started to view all my nonjw relatives as worthy of destruction at gods hands in order to have my thinking line up with gods.

D wiltshire

Heaven,

I guess we were all effect a little different I feel that I was emotionally constipated for about 29 yrs and just now have been getting in touch with my feelings.

SS,

I use a couple different ones but my favorite onw at the moment is "Deep Meditation" by Brian sync

Here's the web site http://www.brainsync.com/

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